(Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. Priority passes to you. I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? This doesnt work the way you want it to. I'm sure no one else is too surprised though . 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What if someone else Goatnappers someone else's stuff, and you politic your way into a deal; "Hey, bud, you have a cool creature. $1.80. This means that the control changing effect will still end and the artifact will revert to its previous controller. 99.9% of the time you should be ending your own turn, but on the odd occasion you could use it as a tool to prevent other players from using instants during other players turns. Is "Deflecting Swat" free if my commander is an enchantment? Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). This doesn't work either because you are not at the same game state after your opponent decides to not end the turn. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. During an opponent's draw step, I tap Obeka and ask if they want to end their turn. EDIT (Sep. 18): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime. 719.1d; see also C.R. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. Flip) to ensure you can consistently cast stuff. 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Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. Rulings. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis). Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. 603.7b, 614.10a). This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. 30-day money back guarantee. ._3oeM4kc-2-4z-A0RTQLg0I{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between} Opponents upkeep, spell is resolving, whatever. "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. Kougaiji38, you seem to have some misconceptions. If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn. Should you stop buying MtG products? But as the loop initiator, you are going to have to choose how many times you continue your loop, right? "At the beginning of the next end step" is now used when something needs to trigger after the second main phase. Effects that last until the end of a turn end during the cleanup step of that turn. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. by Cobara86, Time after Time .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} The trigger to exile the tokens happens on your end step, so using Obeka lets you keep the tokens permanently. You're not winning any games this way; you're just starting arguements at the table. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. There is also Sudden Spoiling, which is powerful but lasts for that turn, or Polymorphist's Jest, which is similarly a 1 turn solution. Sorry, beginning of next end step on the oracle text for corpse dance, my bad. Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger. Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? 603.2). If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. TappedOut.js Blog Widget, ETB - Create one ore two tokens (Obeka, Kiki-Jiki, Phyrexian Dreadnought & Minamo, School at Water's Edge), Obeka's Ability and "At the end of YOUR turn" actions, Feldon of the Third Path - Loran's Smile (v1.4). [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]]; [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. A couple days ago my friend told me the heard about a quirky rules lawyer-y interaction involving [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] that I just love if it's true. The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. There are abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the next cleanup step", but they're relatively rare (examples are found in [[Thawing Glaciers]], [[Waylay]], and [[Armor of Thorns]]). The End Phase consists of two steps, the End Step and the Cleanup Step.The End Step doesn't really do much, it basically exists so that triggers looking for it can trigger and gives players a chance to do stuff before the turn ends.The Cleanup Step on the other hand does a lot. by RowanKeltizar 2 years ago, Post The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. You are not the active player. Active player is distinct from priority. TappedOut.js Blog Widget. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled (C.R. @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} Magic: The Gathering. EDIT (Oct. 24, 2022): Strike out special case for Delina, according to changes in Oracle text. Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. Magic Online Promos Rare. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. Card Kingdom price: $0.00. Feeds | In this deck tech I've tried a taste of all three.Pat. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Combos Used In Obeka, Brute Chronologist (559 Combos) Submit your own combos and corrections to Commander Spellbook. As with "beginning of the next end step" abilities, if you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while a "beginning of the next cleanup step" ability is on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again. You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. Help | 603.7). Good job, WotC. 1x Command Tower. That way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later end step. Because otherwise it would trigger again on the combat phase of the next player, wouldn't it? Greven, Predator Captain the One Punch Man, Community Software Feedback and Bug Reports, Tresserhorn (zombies, check out my primer! Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. They decline to end the turn. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} by benjameenbear 2 years ago, Post I play a lot of Magic. The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! Just to make it clear exactly when you should be using Obeka it's important to know when effects happen. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END. This trigger looks for the next end step to happen and triggers at that time. In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. Obeka, Brute Chronologist can be used during opponents turns, but it is a may ability. 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - (G) (SF) (txt)Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, Thank you so much everybody! Upvote 1. Donate below to support the site and remove all ads. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. Obeka, Brute Chronologist is a commander that can be built around theft, extra turns or rez strategies. If you expect to have multiple opponents, Goad is a very strong effect, Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is potentially pretty solid, lots of card draw. There are some good resources to show the difference between what goes on the stack and what doesnt with end of turn effects but I dont have them on hand currently and you do have the correct understanding of what effects go on the stacks and what doesnt. Jesper Ejsing. For the cards she plays nicely with, you generally need to allow the trigger to be put on the stack first in order to permanently delete it. There is no way currently printed to extend the duration across multiple turns. I'm curious to see a judge rule on this one. Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue.
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